Hopey-Changey Stuff

Nah, not our style. We don't ban stupidity in this country. We just try to remedy it, and if that fails, ignore it.

ScienceGuy, you have a good point. I'm all for freedom of speech, but I also don't want my time and energy supporting the big salaries of those whom I worry about. With Internet access and putting on a good show (for better or worse) it's amazing how much money and power one can accrue in a short time - that worries me.

As I read this to my mom (via the phone) she said I should just take her place. People say I look like her, and I have a Master's degree in Educational Technology, so I know I can sound smarter. And I am a liberal!

None of this divine intervention stuff k? I also promise to do no 'shout-out's' or write anything on my hand.

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I just look at your avatar and you are right you do look like her. No you are better looking. :-)

Why thanks BAD...

Hehehe....

She's cuter and doesn't need to write stuff on her hands.

:)

The Spirit,

If you read my post correctly, I didn't call anyone a moron.

Nor did I say her followers were rednecks.

Those are your words, not mine.

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So Sarah has no actual ideas of her own; she has no idea how to fix what's wrong. So her solution is to pray to an invisible spirit and just wait to see what the spirit decides to do?

Rush was right when he called her a loonie.

So Sarah has no actual ideas of her own; she has no idea how to fix what's wrong. So her solution is to pray to an invisible spirit and just wait to see what the spirit decides to do?

I dont see much diffrence between her and Obama my self. I mean no ideas of his own, no idea on how to fix what is wrong, and prays to an invisible sprit.

Yep you described him to a tee.

Bonos_rama

I've been thinking about this quote of SP's:

"You know, we don't have all the answers as fallible men and women so it would be wise of us to start seeking some divine intervention again in this country," ....

If she had said ... divine inspiration... I wouldn't be concerned very much but to say divine intervention leaves me with the feeling that's code words for something entirely more sinister.

What?

Yeah she's where she is at a place where her book is a Best Seller, people are paying $500.00 fee to be with her, and you call her vacuous? Well, I guess that does not sound reasonable or accurate.

I think she is charismatic and she did a job well done in Alaska, monetary accountability. hmmm

So much for creditability, your article is fiction. no basis for truth.

yawn

Her book is a Best Seller, in your words. And Paris Hilton makes $100k to show up at a party (so she must not be vacuous), while reality TV has a huge audience. People avidly buy magazines to see if Brad and Angie are breaking up. I think you've proved your point - some people will go for charisma over qualifications. We really need to have a test before people can vote.

The Spirit wrote:

For such a vacuous airhead, Sarah certainly does get a lot of attention.

Jeffrey Dahmer got a lot of attention too...

As so often is the case with your snarky barbs about "liberals" you miss something important...

Lucking for you md-323293 you live in America and can actually watch whatever you want as can anyone else. What a concept!

It neither neither legal nor NECESARY to ban Fox news. You have a channel-channger, whether by hand or remote control.

Who the heck watches Fox news anyway? Oops -- me and my husband. We start our day with our Fox "morning idiots."

There are people that make money through their own hard work, talent, business sense, and innate intelligence and continue to do so and make a name for themselves and come to their audience with substance earned through real life experiences, respect earned and commanded because of they are and what they've offered that has made substantive and positive impacts on others and their legacy will live on and continue to impact.

There are people that have people behind them making sure you do and giving you the appearance of having what I explained above.

Sarah falls behind curtain #2. And she's still vacuous and vapid.

When you truly are an authentic person and live the words you speak day in and day out there is never a need to write those words on your palm as if you're taking a test and even then have to refer to those notes.

A life philosophy is what you do and who you are not what you scribble on your palms.

The Spirit's truthful,accurate comment was "collapsed" because he/she were making a statement just like everyone on here?!

But the difference is, it must have pricked a truthful nerve on those who chose to "collapse" it which is so typical, immature, but very typical.

God Bless the USA!

Hm, maybe The Spirit's spam line is offensive?

Drudge.....

Hmm, jus' a lil bit.

But then again, those who come and go by bubble wouldn't recognize offensive if it.....well you know what I mean.

:)

I find it interesting, and a bit disheartening, how shallow the people that support Sarah Palin really are.

I mean she doesn't have any ideas about governing, all she really does is criticize. Essentially she's just cynical about everything. What's interesting is that the cynicism doesn't seem to bother her followers, her lack of ideas and zest for those hopey-changey one liners dovetails with their cynical nature as well.

It's always easier to whisper cyanicism from in secret than risk the sting of arrows at the point of attack.

I predict that her spiel will get old soon, no one really likes a cynical person who does nothing but criticizes.

The Spirit,

If you read my post correctly, I didn't call anyone a moron.

Nor did I say her followers were rednecks.

Those are your words, not mine.

Nah. The Spit posted the same nonsense yesterday on another thead. He's he to bash not debate.

Banning Fox News would be a step in the right direction for all Americans! I'm starting tonight. Anyone want to join me?

As full of @!$%# FOX is, the moment we "ban" them - we must also ban everybody else. It isn't worth my right to free speech to take theirs.

We need a party that favors liberal economics, and a party that favors conservative economics.

We do NOT need a theocratic party in a constitutionally mandated secular government, even if it's a great pander to get votes!

Shame on you for insulting Moose everywhere

The biggest mistake that the GOP could make would be to promote Palin as a leading contender for the party nomination for POTUS.

And that's why I'm chomping at the bit to vote for her if she runs in the GnOPe primaries. I'll happily change my voter registration in 2012...its Operation Chaos version 2.0

Just ignore FOX "news" ... I just point out to anyone who watches FOX, they are enjoying the propaganda wing of the Republican party.

C'mon. Some of us would love to see the G.O.P. stuck with her at the top of the ticket. Talk about theater of the absurd! It's enough to make me want to donate to her campaign - just like Rush went pro-Hilary for a while in 2008....

Yes, Rush with his 'selective misogyny' <rolls eyes>

Hey if the GOP/TB want her at the top of the ticket and she supports literacy tests.

Then put up or shut up time Sissy Sarah. Take the test. Pass the test.

Because leading a nation and by extension being the ad hoc leader of the world is a lot more than coming up with cutesy cutesy changey hopey tskey tskey folksy hokey ya betcha fire side chatey while skinning a caribou tole painting plaque sayings.

Will Rogers you are not.

...Step right up get a big scoop of cricket cobbler!

Chirp. Chirp. Chirp.

LOL ffein.

The Bush administration took a colossal 8-year dump on the middle class, and now you're observing that there's a foul smell in the air.

Mr Obama said he was aware of the smell and promised to remove it. The stench is now overwhelming.

And the Republicans keep hiding the shovels and sabotaging the bulldozers and back hoes, because they recognize that the lingering stench creates their best chance to make Congressional gains in 2010.

Dems got more shovels in the two houses. They don't know how to use them. They do know how to cover things up.

Dems got more shovels in the two houses. They don't know how to use them. They do know how to cover things up.

The do nothing democrates have the power, and as usual they sit on their butts and do nothing. All one hears is the republicans wont let us do anything boo hoo hoo.

Yawn!!!! lets talk about the next complaint the liberals have, since that is all they can do, even with both houses.

How IS hope and change working out for ya? That's a fair question. Could it be that there are some out there who are worse off now than they were under Mr Bush's administration? Voters have a right to ask that question now, next November, and in 2012.

sounds like her answer to that brilliant and inspired question is "start praying."

then again, how great would it be to have a president even more mentally disabled than bush was?

how great would it be to have a president even more mentally disabled than bush was?

We have one now.....besides did anyone ask WHO obam was getting his daily prayers from on his blackberry...wright or allah?..

how is that hopey, changy thing workin out for ya ?

katlin wrote:

how is that hopey, changy thing workin out for ya ?

Let's see... we hold the House, Senate, White House, Majority of state Houses.... hummmmm I think we are do'n ok. We know how that "wright /allah" thing worked out for sister sarah the palm reader! Anymore questions?

We have one now.....besides did anyone ask WHO obam was getting his daily prayers from on his blackberry...wright or allah?..

are you suggesting that "allah" would be somehow worse than "god" as a presidential adviser?

"Let's see... we hold the House, Senate, White House, Majority of state Houses.... hummmmm I think we are do'n ok."

The voters of Massachusetts don't think so.

Yawn!!!! lets talk about the next complaint the liberals have, since that is all they can do, even with both houses.

Don't confuse the some of the Dems in Congress with all liberals. It is true that some Dems in Congress deserve some criticism for not getting any real change passed even with huge majorities. Some of the Senate Dems are using the Republicans as cover to not make any real change that would hurt the corporations. Those Dems are not supported by the Liberals across the country. We are working to push them into action and running primary challengers against them.

That said, every single Republican in Congress is 100% owned by big industry and will stop at nothing to destroy any legislation that helps the people and/or hurts the corporations. Anyone that wants to put some blame on the Dems for not making changes needs to put on 10x as much blame on the Republicans.

As for Palin's remarks, anyone that uses the grade school phrasing of "hopie-changie" should be laughed out of the room. It's not folksie or down home, it's in the immortal words of Rham Emmanuel "f-ing retarded."

"hopie-changie" is good terminology. It actually illustrates how ridiculous some of the promises were. Voters should have seen thru the promises. One man could never accomplish what was promised even with a huge majority in the house and senate. Never promise the impossible. Politics is an ugly business and everyone has their hand out.

The voters of Massachusetts don't think so.

Only 49 states left : )

Good luck, you guys are sure gonna need it; you see the Bush mess that was dumped on us is still fresh, hot & steamy & voters REMEMBER that!

& to reply to 4.12 also:

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/rulings/promise-kept/

FIVE pages of promises KEPT & three years on the clock for the rest....Questinon Bubba, if the Pres. is not keep up his end of the deal, why are you & palin & yor crew moaning & complaining so loudly??????

LOL!!!!!!

What about the biggies 1. Cut George's deficit in half. 2. Government healthcare for all. 3. 1.5 million new green jobs. Tea partiers are complaining so loudly because instead of cutting the deficit in half Mr Obama tripled it. If you get 1.5 million new jobs after losing 8 million jobs you have not gained anything. Tea partiers are also hollering about cap and trade. But you're right, if cap and trade fails we won't need to be moaning about that.

Politics is an ugly business and everyone has their hand out.

Including you.

Time to change out the tinfoil in your trailer windows, Bubba...the radiation from the secret government rayguns must be getting to you.

I don't need foil on my windows. I'm working in my underground shelter with my advisor Dale Gribble.

"hopie-changie" is good terminology.

The rest of your comment is actually a pretty good point, but it's absurd to call that phrase "good terminology." It's childish gibberish that makes the utterer look like a fool. She thinks it makes her sound folksie, but like all the other things that she thinks make her sound folksie, it really makes her look like an idiot.

Tea partiers are complaining so loudly because instead of cutting the deficit in half Mr Obama tripled it.

He increased it by 5% over Bush's last budget. It's whoppers like that one that keep the tea partiers from getting any respect among the thinking world.

"He increased it by 5% over Bush's last budget. It's whoppers like that one that keep the tea partiers from getting any respect among the thinking world."

Is this whopper you are referring to??

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33348615/

Oh, I get it. You're placing Bush's last budget on the shoulders of Obama and comparing it to Bush's 2nd to last budget that did not include the cost of both wars and used the SS trust fund to make itself look smaller.

The only things in the Sept. '08 budget added in by President Obama were the portion of the stimulus already allocated and the car bailouts. That accounted for about $200b. The remaining $1.2t were all programs from the previous term and lower tax revenues.

An intellectually honest person would look at Obama's first proposed budget for FY 2009 and compare it to Bush's last budget from FY 2008. That is the one that increases the deficit by only 5%.

Any increase over Bush's deficit is NOT cutting the deficit in half which he promised. We now have the largest deficit in American history. That IS NOT what he promised. It goes back to my statement don't make promises if you can't keep them.

Any increase over Bush's deficit is NOT cutting the deficit in half which he promised.

That's true, but you can't just back out of such a pathetic lie that easily. Just admit that you are repeating a gigantic whopper with the "triple the deficit" nonsense.

As for not cutting it in half, he did say that before the economy imploded, so it's not really the best example of a promise not kept. Furthermore, I don't think he ever claimed to do it in one year.

OK, let's word it like this. It came from the MSNBC link. Does that sound any better? Certainly not cutting it in half. Mr Bush was a liberal spender and Mr Obama adds to the deficit. Mr Obama also had the option of vetoing the stimulus package.

"The imbalance for the budget year ended Sept. 30 more than tripled last year's record. The Obama administration projects deficits will total $9.1 trillion over the next decade unless corrective action is taken."

OK, let's word it like this. It came from the MSNBC link. Does that sound any better?

You obviously don't understand what I am explaining and you are quoting a wildly misleading article. First, the Sept 2008 budget was Bush's budget. Obama added a small amount to the total deficit from that budget and the rest was Bush and the slow economy. Obama has not had a budget as President yet. He just proposed his first one.

Second, the 2007 budget that was supposedly 1/3 the 2008 budget was a product of misleading accounting. Bush would leave off the cost of both wars and would use the SS trust fund to make his deficits look smaller.

I'm not sure why you think quoting something out of context from MSNBC will prove your point. Repeating the same article after being shown why it is out of context and why your argument is false doesn't make it any better.

jaw you will agree to this? It is in the link by msnbc (this isn't Fox now).

"The imbalance for the budget year ended Sept. 30 more than tripled last year's record."

He didn't keep his promise. The ten year projection is also interesting for tea partiers. Thanks for pointing out my error in wording. I DO NOT want to spread false information even though I can't see this guy keeping his promise of deficit reduction by the end of his term.

What about the biggies 1. Cut George's deficit in half. 2. Government healthcare for all. 3. 1.5 million new green jobs.

I DO NOT want to spread false information even though I can't see this guy keeping his promise of deficit reduction by the end of his term.

Hey Bub - you have already declared him a failure yet he is only about 25% into his term. What do you @!$%#ing expect?!? Instant presto change-o and all of the @!$%#ed up mess Shrub-boy and his minions placed this country in is all cleaned up? Sheesh. What a @!$%#ing partisan hack-job.

Oh, about the new green jobs. It's no better than his promise to reduce the deficit. Tonight on the nightly news I hear they're going to CHINA!! They are manufacturing our wind turbines with stimulus money that was supposed to create jobs in this country. Is there just a wee bit of doubt in your mind about accomplishing 1, 2 and 3 by 2012? All that and possibly losing the majority in congress in 2010. You gotta admit it ain't lookin good.

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/feb/09/foreign-energy-firms-getting-windfall-of-us/

Republicans are positioning themselves as a minority by using the tea party extremists and "party of No!" strategy. Americans will not buy it. It may make rednecks cheer but mainstream Americans see through it.

It is in the link by msnbc (this isn't Fox now).
"The imbalance for the budget year ended Sept. 30 more than tripled last year's record."

He didn't keep his promise.

Are you just pretending to be ignorant or do you truly not understand? How many different ways can it be explained to you?

The budget ending Spt. 2009 that is referenced in that article was not Obama's, it was Bush's. You tell me when that budget began. Was it in Sept. 2008? When do you think that budget was signed? Probably in 2007? Who was President during that time? Was it Obama or Bush? Believe it or not, Obama can't go back in time and change a budget that was already implemented before he took office.

Please just stop to think for one second before continuing to repeat that lie.

As for the ten year projection, don't forget to add the important part of "unless corrective action is taken." That means that if Bush's budget were to continue, we would have $9t deficit. Obama has just proposed his first budget. Let's see how he does after a few years and after the economy gets back on track.

They do budgets one year in advance...(that is why we are now talking about 2011) further any money spent on the stimulus and / or BUSH'S TARP program was not a "Obama" legislative goal... it was a fiscal necessity prompted by a economic collapse overseen by GW Bush and his administration.

Well I just saw something about that. Republicans run people who lost (see Dole) Dems dump people who lost (see Kerry for example eventhough he technically won) & move on to the next guy. So I say run Mike & Mitt; bring them on!

The point is to look beyond the chaff and signal to right that a middle of the road fiscal conservative is what the US needs. Seen any lately?

middle of the road fiscal conservative

Sorry I don't trust anyone who identifies themselves with the term "conservative" near our or any govt. Conservative spells trouble as it is defined by unwelcoming to new ideas, and closed minded. Nothing middle of the road about that word!

Sorry for the bold...its stuck

LOL, I understand your terror. Not all Republicans are the same. Honestly, have you asked yourself lately, if it came to pass as in the twilight zone, which would your rather have as President, GHWB or GWB?

Neither.

Parasites? Carpet Baggers?

You got that right!! BTW, it should have been "collection plate", not palate.

must...have....coffeeeee........

...it's ok JWC enjoy one for me!

:)

how'd that 'trickley-downy' stuff work for everyone?

Actually, I think I got some on me. EEEWWWWW!!! Oh, wait, it's just Sarah. It'll go away on it's own as soon as things get tough.

Just remember: in '02, Howard Dean was looking pretty strong....

Howard Dean was looking pretty strong....

yea, if his scream didn't sound like a little girl's... we could have had president Dean. Funny, the things people think are important...

Remember the Dukakis and the tank?

As an aside - I was at the venue where the Dean scream happened. If Dean wouldn't have been miked you wouldn't have heard anything being made of this thing. Being that it was recorded via the mic, all of the ambient crowd noise was not in the same proportion as was the case in the room. It was one of those unfortunate combination of technology distorting what was really going on in the event. Not defending or anything like that but just wanted you all to understand, those of us in the room at that time - didn'tt really even hear the scream. Too much other crowd noise. It was only after we saw it on TV out of the real live context that it went viral.

Living in Iowa, I have been given the opportunity to talk directly with several of the presidential candidates over the years. The Iowa political experience with the caucuses is really unique and the chance to be able to spend some one-on-one face time with the candidates in a small neighborhood coffee type experience is really quite astounding. This is really evident on the front side of the process especially when the candidates are just starting out. I have been in a room with a rather long list of these folks over the years and there were no more than 10 to 12 of us discussing the issues. Let me tell you, it is difficult to can the bull@!$%# when you are nose to nose with a smaller group of people who are sizing you up and can push back and feedback real-time. AFter they get known and some momentum going, crowd size increases and the usual political MO takes over.